The Olivet Discourse: Jesus’ Most Debated Sermon – and Why It Matters

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, I speak with Murray Smith of Christ College in Sydney, Australia about one of Jesus’ most debated teachings: the Olivet Discourse (Mark 13, Matthew 24-25, Luke 21).

Murray gives us his take on the state of evangelical Christianity in Australia, and then we turn to discussing Murray’s recent book: Jesus’ Speech on the Mount of Olives: a 12-Week Study, which is designed to help Christians read this passage with clarity and hope.

Murray lays out the three major interpretive approaches (preterist / futurist / “both-and”), he explains why “full preterism” is outside of orthodox Christian confession, and then he walks us through why he believes Jesus speaks about both the destruction of Jerusalem and the final return of Christ.

Additionally, we discuss:

  • Why this passage is so debated—and yet so important
  • How Jesus’ cosmic “signs” function as accompanying realities of His coming
  • What it means to “be ready” according to the parables in Matthew 24-25
  • Why healthy eschatology produces hope, urgency, discipleship, and mission

Though Murray and I have differences in how we interpret this passage, we both hope that studying it will help believers recover a living, formative, and practical hope in the return of Jesus.

Passages referenced: Mark 13; Matthew 24–25; Luke 21; Daniel 7; 1 Thessalonians 4; 2 Peter 3; Revelation 21–22

Links to my recent messages on the Olivet Discourse:

  1. ⁠The Great Tribulation & the King’s Return⁠
  2. ⁠Living Ready for Jesus’ Return⁠
  3. ⁠How to Prepare for the End of the World⁠
  4. ⁠What to Expect on Judgment Day

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The Olivet Discourse: Jesus’ Most Debated Sermon, and Why It Matters – with Murray Smith Theology for the People

In this episode of Theology for the People, Nick Cady speaks with Murray Smith (Christ College, Sydney) to talk about one of Jesus’ most debated teachings: the Olivet Discourse (Mark 13, Matthew 24–25, Luke 21).Murray gives a candid snapshot of the state of evangelical Christianity in Australia, and from there, the conversation turns to Murray’s book Jesus’ Speech on the Mount of Olives, a 12-week study designed to help Christians read this passage with clarity and hope. Murray lays out the three major interpretive approaches (preterist / futurist / “both-and”), he explains why “full preterism” is outside orthodox Christian confession, and then walks us through why he believes Jesus speaks about both the destruction of Jerusalem and the final return of Christ.Nick and Murray also discuss:Why this passage is so debated—and yet so importantHow Jesus’ cosmic “signs” function as accompanying realities of His comingWhat it means to “be ready" according to the parables in Matthew 24–25Why healthy eschatology produces hope, urgency, discipleship, and missionThough Nick and Murray have differences in how they view this passage, they both hope that studying it will help believers recover a living, formative, practical hope in the return of Jesus.Passages referenced: Mark 13; Matthew 24–25; Luke 21; Daniel 7; 1 Thessalonians 4; 2 Peter 3; Revelation 21–22Links to Nick's recent messages on the Olivet Discourse:The Great Tribulation & the King's ReturnLiving Ready for Jesus' ReturnHow to Prepare for the End of the WorldWhat to Expect on Judgment Day

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Why Apprenticeship is the Truest Form of Discipleship – with Heath Hardesty

What does it really mean to be an apprentice of Jesus in a fragmented world?

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, Pastor Heath Hardesty shares how his years as an apprentice plumber shaped his vision for discipleship and following Jesus.

Heath is originally from Longmont, Colorado, where I pastor, and he now serves as Lead Pastor of Valley Community Church (VCC) in Pleasanton, California.

Prior to moving to California, when Heath lived in Longmont, he worked as a plumber, training as an apprentice under his father, a master plumber. From his time as a plumbing apprentice, Heath has seen many parallels between apprenticeship and being a disciple of Jesus.

Heath is the author of a new book, which releases October 14, 2025, titled, All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus Is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World.

In this episode, we discuss:
• Why apprenticeship is a better paradigm for following Jesus than “just” discipleship classes
• The four pillars of apprenticeship: union, abiding, obeying, and imaging
• How sin fragments our lives and how Jesus reintegrates us
• Practical spiritual practices for ordinary Tuesdays
• Why following Jesus is a fully embodied way of life—not just information in our heads

Whether you are feeling spiritually stagnant or longing for a more integrated faith, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.

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Why Apprenticeship is the Truest Form of Discipleship – with Heath Hardesty Theology for the People

What does it really mean to be an apprentice of Jesus in a fragmented world? In this episode of Theology for the People, Pastor Heath Hardesty shares how his years as an apprentice plumber shaped his vision for discipleship and following Jesus.Heath is the Lead Pastor of Valley Community Church (VCC) in Pleasanton, California, and the author of the recent book, All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus Is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World.In this episode, we discuss:Why apprenticeship is a better paradigm for following Jesus than “just” discipleship classesThe four pillars of apprenticeship: union, abiding, obeying, and imagingHow sin fragments our lives and how Jesus reintegrates usPractical spiritual practices for ordinary TuesdaysWhy following Jesus is a fully embodied way of life—not just information in our headsWhether you’re feeling spiritually stagnant or longing for a more integrated faith, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.📖 All Things Together releases October 14 and is available wherever books are sold.

I have recently started posting more on the Theology for the People YouTube channel. You can watch this interview on video here: