“You Are Gods”: Making Sense of Psalm 82 and Jesus’ Use of It in John 10

Psalm 82 is one of the most curious and potentially confusing passages in the Bible, because of this interesting statement: “I said, ‘You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you’” (Psalm 82:6).

Who is this Psalm speaking to or about? If there is only one true and living God, then who are these “gods”? To make things even more interesting: Jesus quotes this passage from Psalm 82 in the Gospel of John, where he uses it in defense of His claim to be the Son of God!

In this post, we’ll explore the two main interpretive views of Psalm 82 and consider why Jesus referenced this passage in John 10.

What is Psalm 82 Describing?

Psalm 82 opens with these words:

“God has taken his place in the divine council;
in the midst of the gods he holds judgment.” (Psalm 82:1 ESV)

This brings up some important questions: “Who is in this ‘divine council’?,” and “Who are these ‘gods’?” – not to mention: “Why is God judging them?”

The rest of the psalm gives some clues to help us answer these questions. First of all, God rebukes these “gods” for ruling unjustly, showing partiality to the wicked, and failing to defend the weak and the needy (verses 2–4). He then pronounces judgment:

“I said, ‘You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
nevertheless, like men you shall die,
and fall like any prince.’” (Psalm 82:6–7)

The psalm concludes with a plea for God Himself to rise up and judge the earth, because all nations ultimately belong to Him (vs 8).

So the central question is: Who are these “gods” whom God rebukes and condemns?

View 1: The “gods” are Human Judges or Rulers

The most widely held view throughout Jewish and Christian history is that Psalm 82 refers to human rulers—especially judges—within Israel. But of course, this view leaves the question: “Why call human judges or rulers ‘gods’?”

The Rationale for this View:

  1. “Elohim” Can Refer to Human Authorities
    While elohim is most often used for God, it can also be used in a representative or functional sense. In passages like Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8–9, elohim appears to refer to human judges acting in God’s name.
  2. The Context Is a Courtroom
    Psalm 82 is filled with courtroom language: judging, ruling unjustly, defending the poor, showing partiality. These are precisely the responsibilities assigned to human judges under the Mosaic Law.
  3. The Moral Failure Fits Human Leaders
    The rebuke (failing to protect the weak and ruling unjustly) seems to apply to the actions of corrupt human rulers. Throughout the prophets, God consistently condemns Israel’s leaders for these exact sins (e.g., Isaiah 1, Micah 3).
  4. “You Will Die Like Men” Emphasizes Their Mortality
    Verse 7 states that despite their lofty position, these “gods” will die like ordinary humans. This makes sense if the Psalm is addressing rulers who have forgotten that their authority is temporary and accountable to God.

Summary of View 1

In this reading, Psalm 82 teaches that human judges, entrusted with God’s authority, have abused their power and/or neglected their calling. God reminds them that even though they function as His representatives on Earth (cf. Romans 13:4,6), they are not divine—and they will face judgment for their transgressions.

View 2: The Divine Council (Heavenly Beings)

A second view, popularized in recent decades by scholars such as Michael Heiser and others who have studied the ancient Near East, argues that Psalm 82 refers to supernatural beings, who are members of a heavenly “divine council.”

The Rationale for this View:

  1. The Language of a “Divine Council”
    Psalm 82:1 describes God standing “in the midst of the gods,” which some argue mirrors ancient Near Eastern imagery of a heavenly council of spiritual beings.
  2. “Sons of the Most High”
    This phrase is sometimes associated with heavenly beings elsewhere in Scripture (e.g., Job 1–2).
  3. Cosmic Scope of Judgment
    Some proponents argue that the Psalm envisions God judging spiritual rulers over the nations, not merely human officials in Israel.

Not Polytheism

It’s important to note that proponents of this view are not polytheists and do not believe in the existence of other gods. The True and Living God is not just one god among equals; instead, God is judging other created spiritual beings who are called “gods” only in the sense that they are spiritual beings given power to rule, yet they are utterly subordinate to Him and are subject to death and judgment.

To support this view, Michael Heiser points to Deuteronomy 32:7-9 as an important corollary:

Remember the days of old;
consider the years of many generations;
ask your father, and he will show you,
your elders, and they will tell you.
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
But the LORD’S portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:7-9)

Heiser states that this verse is describing how God divided the nations of mankind into regions, over which He then appointed spiritual beings (i.e. angels) to govern over them, and God gave them authority to oversee those human populations in the regions determined for their habitation (cf. Acts 17:26). Finally, God declared that the nation of Israel would be under his own purview, since they were his own special people whom he had created for his purposes.

An explanation of this view can be found in this video:

Jesus and Psalm 82 in John 10:34–36

Rather than hiding from or avoiding this potentially controversial choice of words in Psalm 82, Jesus brings up this passage in John 10, in a conversation with the Jewish Religious Leaders. In John 10, Jesus had just said, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). The Jewish leaders responded to that by picking up stones to kill Jesus for committing blasphemy. Jesus responded by saying:

“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?
If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken—do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?” (John 10:34–36)

What Jesus Was (and Was Not) Doing

Jesus was not saying, “I am just one god among many.” Nor was He saying, “Everyone is divine.”

Instead, Jesus was making a legal and rhetorical argument—known as a qal wahomer (“from the lesser to the greater”).

Here’s the logic:

  • If Scripture can refer to human (or otherwise created) authorities as “gods”—because they were entrusted with God’s word and authority—
  • Then how can it be blasphemy for the one whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world to call Himself “the Son of God”?

His argument is that: If those created beings were called “sons of God,” and that was put in the Bible – then, how can it be wrong for Jesus to call himself the Son of God, since he (Jesus) is even greater than them?

If Psalm 82 is referring to human figures, then Jesus’ point is that fallible humans were called “gods” in the Bible when they were endowed with authority from God. If Psalm 82 is referring to spiritual beings, Jesus is claiming that created and fallible angels (literally: “messengers”) from God can be referred to as “gods” without it being blasphemy, and therefore since he has been sent by the Father as the ultimate messenger of His Word, then it is not blasphemy for him to call himself the “Son of God.”

Rather than undermining Jesus’ deity, this passage strengthens that claim. Jesus distinguishes Himself from those “gods” because:

  • They received the word of God, but He is the Word made flesh.
  • They were appointed temporarily, but He was consecrated and sent by the Father.
  • They would die like men, but He would lay down His life and take it up again.

Theological Implications

Psalm 82 reminds us that God takes justice seriously. Authority — whether religious, political, or spiritual — is always accountable to Him. Leaders who exploit power or ignore the vulnerable will be subject to divine judgment.

John 10 reminds us that Jesus is not merely a representative of God or a messenger from God; He is God the Son.

And what’s incredible about this, is that the One who judges unjust rulers is the same one who came to take the judgment for our sins, by being judged in our place on the cross.

The irony of Jesus’ crucifixion therefore, is that the religious leaders who accused Jesus of blasphemy were actually the exact kind of people Psalm 82 was referring to: leaders who misused their God-given authority. All the while, the true judge of Psalm 82 was allowing himself to be condemned, so that sinners like us could be saved.

What Does It Mean That Jesus Reconciled “All Things” in Heaven and on Earth?

The Young Adults group at White Fields Church is currently studying through Colossians, and this question came up about Colossians 1:20:

Colossians 1:20 says that Jesus reconciled all things to Himself — including things in heaven. What does that mean? Why would things in heaven need reconciliation?

According to John McRay in his commentary on Colossians in the Evangelical Commentary on the Bible, the majority of exegetes today consider Colossians 1:15–20 to be a pre-Pauline hymn that Paul reworked for his own special application. [1]

A Cosmic Savior for a Cosmic Problem

Colossians 1:16 stated that all things were created in, through and for Christ. However, the unity of and harmony of the cosmos was affected by “the fall” and the introduction of sin into the world.

Colossians 1:19–20 says:

“For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.”

Paul’s point in this section is to show that Jesus is not only the Savior of human souls, He is the redeemer of all creation.

Genesis 3 describes how sin didn’t only affect individual hearts, it also disrupted the harmony of the entire created order: “Cursed is the ground because of you…thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you” – Genesis 3:17-28).

Romans 8:19–22 describes how creation itself has been “groaning” and longing for restoration. The world itself is broken, and the scope of Jesus’ redeeming work is as wide as the scope of the damage caused by sin.

It was God’s good pleasure to reconcile all things through Christ.

The Greek word used here, apokatallassō, refers to the act of restoring a relationship to harmony. The purpose of Christ’s work was to bring all things created by Him and for Him into harmonious relationship.

Peter O’Brian explains it like this: “Heaven and earth have been brought back to the order for which God made them. The universe is under its Lord, and cosmic peace has been restored. Reconciliation and making peace (which includes the idea of pacification, i.e. over-throwing evil) are used synonymously to describe the mighty work which Christ achieved in history through his death on the cross as a sacrifice (Rom. 3:25; 1 Cor. 11:25; Eph. 1:7).” [2]

Why “Things in Heaven”?

We might think of heaven as a place untouched by sin. So why does it say that Jesus reconciled “things in heaven”?

Sin in the Heavenly Realm

The Bible tells us that rebellion against God predated sin on earth; sin started in the heavenly realm, with Satan and other fallen angels (cf. Revelation 12:7–9). There was a fracture in the spiritual realm before humanity ever sinned, which is why we see the deceiving serpent in the garden, tempting the first man and woman to follow him in the way of sin.

Hebrews 9:23 talks about “heavenly things” being purified by Christ’s sacrifice. The cosmic order was disrupted by angelic rebellion, and Christ’s victory defeats and expels evil.

Christ’s Work Restores the Order of the Universe

Colossians 1 talks about spiritual powers (“thrones, dominions, rulers, authorities”). Later in the letter, Paul says that Jesus disarmed and triumphed over them (Colossians 2:15). Part of His reconciling work is bringing all spiritual powers back into proper relation to God — whether by willing obedience or final subjugation.

Peter O’Brien explains:

The peace which Christ has brought may be ‘freely accepted, or … compulsorily imposed’ (F. F. Bruce). The principalities and powers over whom God has triumphed (Colossians 2:15) did not gladly surrender to God’s grace. They were ‘pacified’. They continue to exist, opposed to men and women (cf. Rom. 8:38–39), but they cannot finally harm the person who is in Christ and their overthrow in the future is assured (1 Cor. 15:24–28; see on 2:15). [3]

A Hebrew expression for totality

The phrase “in heaven or on earth” may also be seen as a Hebrew way of saying “everything that exists,” like how in Genesis 1:1 it says that “the heavens and the earth.”

What This Verse Does Not Mean

This verse is not teaching “universalism” – the idea that everyone will eventually be saved. Throughout the Bible, and by Jesus Himself, it is clearly stated that some will reject God and face eternal judgment (e.g. Revelation 20; Matthew 25:46).

Again, O’Brien explains:

Further, it cannot be assumed from this verse that all sinful men and women have freely accepted the peace achieved through Christ’s death. Although all things will finally unite to bow in the name of Jesus and to acknowledge him as Lord (Phil. 2:10–11), it is not to be supposed that this will be done gladly by all, and to suggest that v 20 points to a universal reconciliation in which every person will finally enjoy the blessings of salvation is unwarranted. [4]

So “reconciliation” here means the restoration of Christ’s lordship over all, not salvation for all. As it says in Philippians 2:10-11, one day, at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. In other words, every creature will acknowledge Jesus as Lord — either joyfully as Redeemer or reluctantly as Judge.

In Summary

What this means for us is that the gospel has bigger implications than many people often imagine: Jesus didn’t only come to save individual souls — He came to renew the universe.

Through Jesus’ saving work:

  • People are reconciled to God
  • Creation will one day be made new
  • Evil forces are defeated and brought into submission to Jesus
  • Cosmic peace will be achieved under Jesus’ reign

This means that the death and resurrection of Jesus was the turning point for the entire universe.

We now live in the “dawn” (2 Peter 1:19), in which the light of the new day has broken the darkness, and it is only a matter of time until the darkness is dispelled completely.

And if you belong to Jesus through faith in Him, you are already part of the new creation that He is bringing about!

Footnotes

  1. John McRay, “Colossians,” in Evangelical Commentary on the Bible, vol. 3, Baker Reference Library (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1995), 1053.
  2. Peter T. O’Brien, “Colossians,” in New Bible Commentary: 21st Century Edition, ed. D. A. Carson et al., 4th ed. (Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: Inter-Varsity Press, 1994), 1267.
  3. Ibid.
  4. Ibid.

Why Apprenticeship is the Truest Form of Discipleship – with Heath Hardesty

What does it really mean to be an apprentice of Jesus in a fragmented world?

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, Pastor Heath Hardesty shares how his years as an apprentice plumber shaped his vision for discipleship and following Jesus.

Heath is originally from Longmont, Colorado, where I pastor, and he now serves as Lead Pastor of Valley Community Church (VCC) in Pleasanton, California.

Prior to moving to California, when Heath lived in Longmont, he worked as a plumber, training as an apprentice under his father, a master plumber. From his time as a plumbing apprentice, Heath has seen many parallels between apprenticeship and being a disciple of Jesus.

Heath is the author of a new book, which releases October 14, 2025, titled, All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus Is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World.

In this episode, we discuss:
• Why apprenticeship is a better paradigm for following Jesus than “just” discipleship classes
• The four pillars of apprenticeship: union, abiding, obeying, and imaging
• How sin fragments our lives and how Jesus reintegrates us
• Practical spiritual practices for ordinary Tuesdays
• Why following Jesus is a fully embodied way of life—not just information in our heads

Whether you are feeling spiritually stagnant or longing for a more integrated faith, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.

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Why Apprenticeship is the Truest Form of Discipleship – with Heath Hardesty Theology for the People

What does it really mean to be an apprentice of Jesus in a fragmented world? In this episode of Theology for the People, Pastor Heath Hardesty shares how his years as an apprentice plumber shaped his vision for discipleship and following Jesus.Heath is the Lead Pastor of Valley Community Church (VCC) in Pleasanton, California, and the author of the recent book, All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus Is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World.In this episode, we discuss:Why apprenticeship is a better paradigm for following Jesus than “just” discipleship classesThe four pillars of apprenticeship: union, abiding, obeying, and imagingHow sin fragments our lives and how Jesus reintegrates usPractical spiritual practices for ordinary TuesdaysWhy following Jesus is a fully embodied way of life—not just information in our headsWhether you’re feeling spiritually stagnant or longing for a more integrated faith, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.📖 All Things Together releases October 14 and is available wherever books are sold.

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The Gospel in the Midst of Grief: Lessons from Widowhood – with Susan VandePol

What does faithful, biblical care for widows look like, and why does the Bible say that it is at the heart of “pure religion”?

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, I speak with Susan VandePol. Susan became a widow when her husband—a Los Angeles City firefighter—died following a line-of-duty exposure. Out of her own grief the Lord led her to create practical protocols for fire departments and churches, and to host deeply healing widows’ retreats.

In this conversation we cover:

  • Why you don’t “stop” being a widow—even after remarriage
  • How Scripture frames widowhood (the “quartet of the vulnerable,” James 1:27, Luke 18)
  • “Pruning” grief: letting God move grief toward health and fruit
  • Presence over platitudes: what helps, what harms
  • A simple, sustainable church protocol (care that intentionally extends to two years)
  • How ministering to widows purifies the whole church

Resources mentioned:

About Susan VandePol:

Widow, author, and founder of Matters of Life and Breath, Susan equips churches and first-responder communities to care wisely and biblically for widows. She and her husband (a trauma specialist) also serve internationally with grief and trauma care.

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The Gospel in the Midst of Grief: Lessons from Widowhood – with Susan VandePol Theology for the People

What does faithful, biblical care for widows look like, and why does the Bible say that it is at the heart of "pure religion"?Susan VandePol became a widow when her husband—a Los Angeles City firefighter—died following a line-of-duty exposure. Out of her own grief the Lord led her to create practical protocols for fire departments and churches, and to host deeply healing widows’ retreats.In this conversation we cover:• Why you don’t “stop” being a widow—even after remarriage• How Scripture frames widowhood (the “quartet of the vulnerable,” James 1:27, Luke 18)• “Pruning” grief: letting God move grief toward health and fruit• Presence over platitudes: what helps, what harms• A simple, sustainable church protocol (care that intentionally extends to two years)• How ministering to widows purifies the whole churchResources mentioned:• Church Protocol for Widow Care – Matters of Life and Breath (download free)• Fire Department Widow Protocol – Matters of Life and Breath (free)• Widows’ Retreat (West Michigan, Oct 17–19) – registration details via the Matters of Life and Breath websiteAbout Susan VandePolWidow, author, and founder of Matters of Life and Breath, Susan equips churches and first-responder communities to care wisely and biblically for widows. She and her husband (a trauma specialist) also serve internationally with grief and trauma care.⏩ If this helped you, please share it with a friend and subscribe for more conversations that bring theology to the people!

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The Conversion of the Vikings: The “Monomyth” and Finding Bridges to the Gospel for Missionary Encounters

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, I speak with Pastor Stephen Pomeroy. Stephen is a pastor at White Fields Community Church, and he is the host of the Viking Legacy and Lore podcast.

Together, we explore the fascinating story of the conversion of the Vikings to Christianity. Stephen shares how his personal heritage sparked an interest in Viking history and mythology, and how he approaches it from a Christian perspective.

Together we discuss:
• What the Viking Age was and how it ended
• The political and spiritual dynamics behind Viking conversion to Christianity
• The concept of the monomyth and how stories across cultures point to the true story of Jesus
• Parallels between Norse mythology and biblical truth
• Lessons for engaging neo-paganism and modern spiritual seekers

This conversation blends history, theology, and mission — showing how God’s truth reaches across cultures and centuries.

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For more on the “monomyth,” and the conversion of C.S. Lewis, check out these articles:

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The Conversion of the Vikings: Finding Bridges to the Gospel for Missionary Encounters Theology for the People

In this episode of Theology for the People, Pastor Nick Cady is joined by Pastor Stephen Pomeroy from White Fields Community Church to explore the fascinating story of the conversion of the Vikings.Stephen, who also hosts the Viking Legacy and Lore podcast, shares how his personal heritage sparked an interest in Viking history and mythology, and how he approaches it from a Christian perspective. Together we discuss:What the Viking Age was and how it endedThe political and spiritual dynamics behind Viking conversion to ChristianityThe concept of the monomyth and how stories across cultures point to the true story of JesusParallels between Norse mythology and biblical truthLessons for engaging neo-paganism and modern spiritual seekersThis conversation blends history, theology, and mission — showing how God’s truth reaches across cultures and centuries.📌 Subscribe for more episodes of Theology for the People where we bring theological conversations down to earth in a way that is understandable, practical, and engaging.Visit TheologyforthePeople.com for more helpful articles and many topics related to Theology.

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When War Scatters the Church: Lessons from Ukraine – with Sharon Markey

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, I speak with Sharon Markey — missionary, pastor’s wife, and author of the forthcoming book Finding Home Again.

Sharon shares her family’s story of serving in Ukraine for nearly two decades, planting churches in Kyiv, and how the war suddenly uprooted their lives.

We discuss:
• What it means to be a refugee and how displacement affects faith and identity
• The church’s role in caring for hurting and displaced people
• How Ukrainians are bringing gospel light into post-Christian Europe
• The reality of life in Ukraine today and how Christians can pray and help
• Sharon’s hope for her new book and how it can inspire compassion and faith

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When War Scatters the Church: Lessons from Ukraine – with Sharon Markey Theology for the People

In this episode of Theology for the People, Nick Cady talks with Sharon Markey — missionary, pastor’s wife, and author of the forthcoming book Finding Home Again. Sharon shares her family’s story of serving in Ukraine for nearly two decades, planting churches in Kyiv, and how the war suddenly uprooted their lives.We discuss:What it means to be a refugee and how displacement affects faith and identityThe church’s role in caring for hurting and displaced peopleHow Ukrainians are bringing gospel light into post-Christian EuropeThe reality of life in Ukraine today and how Christians can pray and helpSharon’s hope for her new book and how it can inspire compassion and faith👉 Learn more about Sharon’s book at sharontmarkey.com👉 Support their ministry: bridgeua.orgNew episodes release every Monday. Subscribe so you don’t miss future conversations!

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Why We Need to Think About Heaven More (Not Less) – with Matt McCollough

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, I speak with pastor and author Matt McCullough to discuss his new book Remember Heaven: Meditations on the World to Come for Life in the Meantime.

Building on the themes of his previous book, Remember Death, Matt explores how the biblical vision of heaven is meant to shape our lives here and now—not just as a future hope, but as a present motivation for rest, urgency, and faithful discipleship.

We talk about:

  • How our cultural views of heaven often miss the God-centered reality the Bible presents
  • Why remembering heaven matters in a distracted and comfort-driven world
  • How heaven gives us peace in anxiety, urgency in mission, and love in community
  • What the Bible actually says (and doesn’t say) about the afterlife
  • How the local church functions as a “colony of heaven” in the country of death

This is a hopeful, practical conversation that will encourage you to set your mind on things above and live today in light of eternity.

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Why We Need to Think About Heaven More (Not Less) – with Matt McCollough Theology for the People

In this episode of Theology for the People, Nick Cady sits down with pastor and author Matt McCullough to discuss his new book Remember Heaven. Building on the themes of his previous book Remember Death, Matt explores how the biblical vision of heaven is meant to shape our lives here and now—not just as a future hope, but as a present motivation for rest, urgency, and faithful discipleship.Together they talk about:How our cultural views of heaven often miss the God-centered reality the Bible presentsWhy remembering heaven matters in a distracted and comfort-driven worldHow heaven gives us peace in anxiety, urgency in mission, and love in communityWhat the Bible actually says (and doesn’t say) about the afterlifeHow the local church functions as a “colony of heaven” in the country of deathThis is a hopeful, practical conversation that will encourage you to set your mind on things above and live today in light of eternity.📘 Remember Heaven is available now wherever books are sold.🔗 Learn more about Matt and his ministry at edgefieldnashville.org🔗 Visit TheologyforthePeople.com for articles and content

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Join me on Pastors Perspective every Wednesday this month

Pastor’s Perspective is a one-hour call-in program where listeners can get answers to questions about the Bible, Christianity, family, and life. The program airs on KWAVE in Southern California, Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Pacific (4:00pm Mountain Time), and can be heard and watched here:

The past two Wednesdays I was able to be in the studio in Southern California for the show, but for the rest of the month I will be joining remotely from Colorado.

Each week I’m joined by a professor from BIOLA University’s Talbot School of Theology. Last week I was with Dr. Ed Stetzer, and this week with Dr. Scott Rae.

This week’s episode was one I particularly enjoyed, as we had great questions regarding politics, Christian Nationalism, and the Kingdom of God. Watch that episode here:

Here’s the video of last week’s episode with Ed Stetzer:

Is Physical Fitness a Spiritual Discipline? – A Theology of Exercise: with David Mathis

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, I speak with David Mathis, author of A Little Theology of Exercise: Enjoying Christ in Body and Soul, to explore the spiritual significance of physical health.

This conversation looks at the theology of the body, and how caring for our bodies can actually deepen our discipleship, improve our service to others, and shape how we glorify God with our entire being.

We also explore cultural trends around fitness, how to avoid idolatry of the body, and how anyone — regardless of age or ability — can engage in God-honoring movement.

Whether you’re a seasoned athlete or someone who avoids the gym at all costs, this episode is a helpful and grace-filled look at how physical exercise fits into the Christian life.

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Is Physical Fitness a Spiritual Discipline? – A Theology of Exercise: with David Mathis Theology for the People

In this episode of Theology for the People, Nick Cady speaks with David Mathis, author of A Little Theology of Exercise: Enjoying Christ in Body and Soul, to explore the spiritual significance of physical health. This conversation looks at the theology of the body, and how caring for our bodies can actually deepen our discipleship, improve our service to others, and shape how we glorify God with our entire being.We also explore cultural trends around fitness, how to avoid idolatry of the body, and how anyone — regardless of age or ability — can engage in God-honoring movement. Whether you're a seasoned athlete or someone who avoids the gym at all costs, this episode is a helpful and grace-filled look at how physical exercise fits into the Christian life.Visit TheologyforthePeople.com for articles and more content and make sure to subscribe to the channel and share the episode with someone who would benefit from it!

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Theology of Disability: The Image of God & the Mission of the Church – with Sandra Peoples

In this episode of the Theology for the People Podcast, I speak with Sandra Peoples — a disability ministry consultant, author, and pastor’s wife — to discuss her new book: Accessible Church: A Gospel-Centered Vision for Including People with Disabilities and Their Families

Sandra shares from personal experience as both a sister and mother of individuals with disabilities, and she casts a compelling vision for churches to become accessible and inclusive to people of all ability levels.

They explore the theological foundations for understanding disability, the relational and spiritual impacts of accessibility, and practical ways churches of any size can serve individuals and families affected by disability.

Whether you’re a pastor, ministry leader, or church member, this conversation will challenge and equip you to take steps toward a more inclusive and grace-filled church culture.

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Theology of Disability: the Image of God & the Mission of the Church – with Sandra Peoples Theology for the People

In this episode, Nick Cady is joined by Sandra Peoples — a disability ministry consultant, author, and pastor's wife — to discuss her new book: Accessible Church: A Gospel-Centered Vision for Including People with Disabilities and Their FamiliesSandra shares from personal experience as both a sister and mother of individuals with disabilities, and she casts a compelling vision for churches to become accessible and inclusive to people of all ability levels.They explore the theological foundations for understanding disability, the relational and spiritual impacts of accessibility, and practical ways churches of any size can serve individuals and families affected by disability. Whether you're a pastor, ministry leader, or church member, this conversation will challenge and equip you to take steps toward a more inclusive and grace-filled church culture.👉 Learn more about Sandra’s work and resources at sandrapeoples.comFind articles and more content at TheologyforthePeople.com

I have recently started posting more on the Theology for the People YouTube channel. You can watch this interview on video here: